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Priest called 'predatorial pedophile' by victim gets 4 years

Postby paisley_cross » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:14 am

This reminds us once again how vulnerable we are with respect to people in authority. Not just Catholic priests, of course, they don't have the corner on sexual abuse but clergy of all religions, teachers, scoutmasters, day care operators, sports coaches and others.

[size=18px]Priest called 'predatorial pedophile' by victim gets 4 years[/size]

Andrew Seymour , Ottawa Citizen
Published: Monday, January 14, 2008

PEMBROKE, Ont. - A prominent Ottawa Valley priest, whose service to the Catholic Church was rewarded with a Vatican post, was sentenced to four years in prison on Monday for sexually molesting 13 young boys.

Reading from a handwritten statement, Msgr. Bernard Prince, 72, showed no emotion as he apologized to his victims for his "legal and moral" wrongdoing after being found guilty of one charge of indecent assault and pleading guilty to 12 more charges of indecent and sexual assault. Court heard the assaults took place between 1964 and 1984.

According to information filed in court, nine of the 12 extra charges occurred in the area of Killaloe, Ont., about 170 kilometres west of Ottawa.

"I wish to sincerely apologize to everyone concerned for the harm that I have caused, directly or indirectly," said Prince, a personal friend of the late Pope John Paul II.

"It's my hope in the future I can contribute in some small way to restore to those persons I have hurt in the past," he added.

But at least one of his victims didn't believe Prince's display of remorse, accusing the retired priest of "playing to the system to get the shortest sentence possible.

"I see him as the abuser and pedophile that he is," said the 42-year-old man. The former altar boy was sexually assaulted by Prince at the priest's cabin near Killaloe, when the victim was between the ages of 10 and 13, court heard.

The man, whose identity is protected by a publication ban, asked the court in his victim impact statement to "not be swayed toward a lenient sentence for the elderly gentleman before you. Instead, please punish the deviant, deceitful, predatorial pedophile for his horrific criminal actions."

While the guilty plea may have ended the criminal proceedings, the information presented in court Monday raised questions about what the Catholic Church and the Pembroke, Ont., diocese knew about the sexual allegations against Prince, who retired more than three years ago.

According to a statement of facts, one of the victims told his sister about the abuse in the 1960s, and she then reported it to the Catholic high school. Two weeks later, Prince was removed from the area. Another victim reported sexual abuse to the church in 1989 or 1990, a year before Prince moved to the Vatican. A third victim alleged he told Prince's mother about an assault moments after it occurred, to which she responded, "He's at it again," before speaking with him.

The matter is expected to now shift to the civil courts, where the Catholic Church and the disgraced former priest will be subject to several multimillion-dollar lawsuits.

At least two civil suits have already been filed, while a lawyer representing eight of the victims said Monday he intends to file another civil suit on their behalf, seeking damages for their emotional and financial suffering.

In a statement released after the guilty plea, the diocese of Pembroke apologized to all of Prince's victims and expressed "sincere concern and compassion" for the victims and their families.

"Any case of clergy sexual abuse always brings shame to the Church and tarnishes our mission," said the statement, which did not mention what the Church knew about allegations against the priest.

"The diocese of Pembroke has endeavoured to be transparent and co-operative in the efforts uncovering the truth. With the facts at hand, we wish to assure the injured parties of our continued desire to be supportive in the healing process," it said.

According to the statement of fact, the abuse the victims endured ranged from fondling and masturbation to oral sex and anal intercourse. The victims were aged 10 to 16 when the assaults, which frequently involved Prince lying in bed naked with his victims, occurred. Several of the victims served as altar boys, court heard.

In addition to the four-year prison sentence, Prince must submit a DNA sample to the national databank and be listed on the sex-offender registry for the next 20 years. He is also banned for life from visiting parks, swimming pools or other areas where children younger than age 14 may gather.

Before being sentenced, court heard victim impact statements from six of the men Prince abused. Another six submitted victim impact statements to the judge, which were sealed in order to protect the identity of each man.

In the statements read in open court, the men expressed how Prince's actions had negatively affected their lives, including their struggles with alcohol abuse, depression, strained family relationships and thoughts of suicide.

"I was morally and spiritually destroyed. He had stolen my life," said one man. "How could I survive? I had met the devil."

OPP Det. Insp. Jeff Bahm, who headed the investigation known as Project Betrayal, praised the courage of the men who came forward to tell investigators stories of abuse that, in many cases, had never been told to anyone before.

Prince was ordained in 1963. His career included posts at the Vatican as the secretary general of the Pontifical Work for the Propagation of Faith.

He had worked at parishes in Arnprior and Pembroke, Ont., before he took a posting at the Apostolic Nunciature in Ottawa. He later worked at the Canadian Conference of Bishops in Ottawa and taught at Saint Paul University before moving to Toronto as director of Canada's Pontifical Mission Society.

He retired more than three years ago.


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Postby paisley_cross » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:16 pm

An ex-scout leader. Scary how these predators get into positions of power over kids.

[size=18px]Child porn sting nets nine Canadians, including ex-Scout leader
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OTTAWA - Nine Canadian men have been arrested and another 50 domestic investigations continue in relation to a horrific international child pornography ring that provided customized videos of sexual abuse to paying customers.

Supt. Earla-Kim McColl of the RCMP says almost 100 Canadian e-mail addresses were identified as part of the international investigation.

Not all of the owners of those addresses have yet been identified but the investigation continues.

More than 92 European arrests were revealed in November as part of the investigation code-named Operation Koala.

Among the Canadians arrested are a former Scout leader from the Toronto area, a man from Edmonton who had movies in his possession, and a Victoria resident whose home had a telescope overlooking a schoolyard.

Police say the child pornography was produced mainly in the Ukraine, with some material filmed in Belgium and the Netherlands.

An Italian allegedly at the centre of the ring has been arrested and identified as Sergio Marzola.

Last February, Canadian authorities became involved after some 600 e-mail messages originating in this country were identified among some 50,000 messages between Marzola and potential customers.

The most recent Canadian arrest took place two weeks ago in Toronto's Peel Region.

http://www.recorder.ca/cp/National/080115/n011543A.html
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Postby Bill Whatcott » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:46 am

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An ex-scout leader. Scary how these predators get into positions of power over kids.


Actually this is why the American Boy Scouts have an official policy of not allowing homosexuals in their ranks. Unfortunately in Canada our Scouts are infiltrated with homosexuals and this article of yours is the fallout for that.
The Priest abuse scandals are a result of the North American and European Church's flirtation with liberalism and tolerating homosexuality as well.
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Postby paisley_cross » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:42 am

\"Bill Whatcott\" wrote:The Priest abuse scandals are a result of the North American and European Church's flirtation with liberalism and tolerating homosexuality as well.


It what way, for example, do the Catholic and Baptist Churches "tolerate" homosexuality? The biggest opponents to gay rights are the RC Church and fundamentalists.
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Postby zip.com » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:22 pm

\"paisley_cross\" wrote:
\"Bill Whatcott\" wrote:The Priest abuse scandals are a result of the North American and European Church's flirtation with liberalism and tolerating homosexuality as well.


It what way, for example, do the Catholic and Baptist Churches "tolerate" homosexuality? The biggest opponents to gay rights are the RC Church and fundamentalists.


Depends on how you want to think of "tolerate". The Catholic church does NOT condone homosexuality in any way. We "tolerate" those caught in the sin and pray for their release from it. But never do we tolerate the sin.

And for those "catholics" who do -- well, let's just say they need to read their Bible or re define just what they believe. Maybe they aren't catholics afterall. :shock:
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Postby paisley_cross » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:19 pm

\"zip.com\" wrote:Depends on how you want to think of "tolerate". The Catholic church does NOT condone homosexuality in any way. We "tolerate" those caught in the sin and pray for their release from it. But never do we tolerate the sin.

And for those "catholics" who do -- well, let's just say they need to read their Bible or re define just what they believe. Maybe they aren't catholics afterall. :shock:


Bill used the word "tolerate". I was asking what he meant since I have not seen any real tolerance for homosexuality among the religious right. My sense though is that rank-and-file Catholics are more inclined to support gay rights (eg, equal benefits, coverage in anti-discrimination laws) than are conservative Prods.
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Postby Bill Whatcott » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:46 pm

It goes further than that....

I belong to a conservative Catholic church were sodomy is generally looked down upon but even in my church many laity are confused on the issue....

But heck the Jesuits in Ontario hosted the sodomite church 8 years consecutive that I am aware of for weekends of sun, fun, spirituality, sprinkled with a little sodomy.

Bishops in Quebec openly dissented and endorsed sodomite unions. Those Bishops are still there. A monk at Neuman theological college publicly praised the sodomites a couple years back and as far as I know he is still there.

There are many, many more examples of sodomites making progress in the Catholic Churches here in the west. The Pope himself acknowledged a refusal to discriminate against sodomites in seminaries and the priesthood was largely responsible for the Boston sex abuse scandals.

Truth is truth. There are Biblical Catholics taking a Biblical stand on this issue and some of those are thankfully clergy too. None the less today there are sodomites and sodomite sympathizers in high places within the Catholic Church. No point trying to obfuscate this fact....... :cry:
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Postby zip.com » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:06 am

\"Bill Whatcott\" wrote:It goes further than that....

I belong to a conservative Catholic church were sodomy is generally looked down upon but even in my church many laity are confused on the issue....

But heck the Jesuits in Ontario hosted the sodomite church 8 years consecutive that I am aware of for weekends of sun, fun, spirituality, sprinkled with a little sodomy.

Clearly against any church approval. These "Jesuits" are rogues and don't have anything to do with the Catholic church.

Bishops in Quebec openly dissented and endorsed sodomite unions. Those Bishops are still there. A monk at Neuman theological college publicly praised the sodomites a couple years back and as far as I know he is still there.

Yes, and these "bishops" were ex-communicated from the church.

There are many, many more examples of sodomites making progress in the Catholic Churches here in the west. The Pope himself acknowledged a refusal to discriminate against sodomites in seminaries and the priesthood was largely responsible for the Boston sex abuse scandals.

NO, they do NOT make "progress". The Pope has sanctioned anyone who is NOT actively involved in homosexuality. If you have the "urgings" only. Acting on your urgings are grounds for ex-communication, of course.

Truth is truth. There are Biblical Catholics taking a Biblical stand on this issue and some of those are thankfully clergy too. None the less today there are sodomites and sodomite sympathizers in high places within the Catholic Church. No point trying to obfuscate this fact....... :cry:

I don't agree. The Pope has not been wayward on the teachings of the Bible. If he was, I would not be supporting him.



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Postby paisley_cross » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:26 am

\"Bill Whatcott\" wrote:Paisley_cross
An ex-scout leader. Scary how these predators get into positions of power over kids.


Actually this is why the American Boy Scouts have an official policy of not allowing homosexuals in their ranks. Unfortunately in Canada our Scouts are infiltrated with homosexuals and this article of yours is the fallout for that.
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Bill, it's not just gays.

You would think that of all organizations that would take care not to hire sexual predators would be religious schools. One thing my wife and I never allowed was for our daughter to be alone with a clergyman.

[size=18px]Bible teacher convicted of sexual assault[/size]

Former pastor admits behaviour was `unethical' after online sex chats, touching of 13-year-old girl

A former pastor who taught Bible classes at a private religious school in Mississauga has been convicted of sexual assaulting a 13-year-old female student.

In convicting Paul Tuck, 45, yesterday, Justice James Blacklock said the Brampton man had "deluded" himself into thinking none of his actions, including sexually explicit online chats, were sexually motivated.

Tuck was a teacher at the Mississauga Christian Academy when he was arrested in December 2006 and charged with sexual assault, Internet luring and sexual interference involving the girl, who was 13 at the time of his arrest....

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Postby zip.com » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:06 am

\"paisley_cross\" wrote:
Bill, it's not just gays.

You would think that of all organizations that would take care not to hire sexual predators would be religious schools.
One thing my wife and I never allowed was for our daughter to be alone with a clergyman.


And how would these potential sexual predators be screened out? How about asking them, "are you homosexual?". Or "do you practice sodomy?" or "do you like to have sex with children?" Besides, I think the laws have been changed now to make it a crime to ask anyone their sexual orientation.

And even if you could ask, how would you propose that someone find out if an applicant is homosexual? And in any event, if asked, that person can always simply say "no". Then what?

It's ridiculous to think that an organization can "weed out" the homosexuals -- only by a person's honour can this be done, that is they honour their faith and it's prohibition of this deviant sexual practice.

But the Catholic church seemed a good place for these pedophiles to engage their desire for young boys, wouldn't you agree?
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Postby Banned_from_FD » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:35 am

Zip, they can do criminal background checks on people who are to be left alone with children.

Sports coaches have to do it, teachers do it, daycare workers do it ... when I drove a taxi i had to do it.

This whole thing has nothing to do with homosexuality, despite Bill's success in injecting gay people into a debate about a straight child molestor.
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on a side note

re: the whole catholic priest kiddie diddlers

i have always thought the reason the Catholic church has this problem is the the fact they force people to repress their sexuality

it causes them to act out in a criminal manner
it causes few people to want to enter that occupation
it causes the church to want to transfer these people to another parrish for fear of losing desparately needed priests

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Postby paisley_cross » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:50 pm

\"zip.com\" wrote:But the Catholic church seemed a good place for these pedophiles to engage their desire for young boys, wouldn't you agree?


Well, an unmarried all-male group could be a bit of a magnet, not just for sexual predators, but for homosexuals generally. But, as the case I cited shows, it's not just gays who are the problem here.

I hope that the Church has improved its hiring practices since the pedophile crisis.
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\"paisley_cross\" wrote:
\"zip.com\" wrote:But the Catholic church seemed a good place for these pedophiles to engage their desire for young boys, wouldn't you agree?


Well, an unmarried all-male group could be a bit of a magnet, not just for sexual predators, but for homosexuals generally. But, as the case I cited shows, it's not just gays who are the problem here.

I hope that the Church has improved its hiring practices since the pedophile crisis.


The Catholic church doesn't "hire" priests. The priesthood is a vocation -- a calling.

But the Church does deal with homosexual priests who offend, at least quicker and the priest is immediately removed from his post and dealt with on a case by case basis.

Cardinal Law is a good example of what the church finally did after many years of abuse by priests -- and he knew about it all. :shock:
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Postby paisley_cross » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:39 pm

\"zip.com\" wrote:The Catholic church doesn't "hire" priests. The priesthood is a vocation -- a calling.


How do you explain pederasts getting in the priesthood if it is a "calling"?
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Postby Bill Whatcott » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:08 pm

\"paisley_cross\" wrote:
\"zip.com\" wrote:The Catholic church doesn't "hire" priests. The priesthood is a vocation -- a calling.


How do you explain pederasts getting in the priesthood if it is a "calling"?


First off Zip, I never said the Pope erred in this manner. To the contrary he is teaching the truth.

I will repeat myself and say many priests and bishops in Canada are either openly pro-homosexual or else they are not very brave and completely silent on the issue.

The Quebec dissenting Bishops may very well be on their way to hell, but as of today they are not excommunicated (officially) for the Church. They are still wearing their clerical collars and preaching liberal heresy on the parishioner's dime.

Well Banned this is an appropriate thread to bring up homosexual child molesters. The truth is almost 100% of the priests convicted in the recent sex abuse scandal were homosexual.

To answer Paisley_Cross, the devil can wreck a good thing. Most priests enter the priesthood to serve the Lord. Most are certainly called by God. The vast majority are good men and are happy to live a life of chastity to serve Christ fully. As with everything sin has corrupted a good thing. The priesthood is a venerable institution. If you were the Devil wouldn't it seem like a good idea to send a few homosexuals and pedophiles to this vocation and corrupt it?
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